Posted 08/10/17 at 20:11:22
Mitch. Considering your last post had nothing to do with The Middle, I feel this isn't the right forum for this discussion.
That said, I'll make one last comment and go. First, you're right. Tim Allen was upset about the cancelling. But several news stories have explained that ABC essentially leased the show and made very little money from it. And Allen's contract was up and he asked for a big raise. Plus they had just made a decision to not air comedies on Friday anymore ?!? So it was totally a bottom line decision.
Your complaints against President Obama do not take into account that the day he took office, the US economy was as close to being in total ruin then it had been in 80 years. And the worse wasn't over for some time, plus the surprise of how expensive two unfunded wars ended up being. The insanity of cutting taxes in the midst of two wars was staggering.
Add to that, the GOP leaders in Congress publicly proclaimed on inauguration day that they will do anything to sabotage President Obama's administration, even at the cost of damaging the country. And they followed through every day for the next 8 years. I recall once that John Boehner pulled his own bill from the vote because Obama and the democrats supported it. And the Senate endured a record number of filibusters, and one serious government shutdown. And still President Obama left office with a 59% approval rating. Trump has barely ever been above 40%
You say you are against socialist policies. Yet I pointed out a number of ways you participate in socialism every day. Do you object to them? Do you have insurance of any kind (health, life, car, home)? The insurance business model is based 100% on socialism.
Consider the risk of taking away social programs that assist the poor, sick and helpless. The problems they suffer with won't go away just because the public funds stop. In fact they'll get worse and be even more expensive in the long run. Plus, they cause a reverse socialism. The money drained from the social programs will be given to the ultra-wealthy in very lopsided tax cuts. And forget "trickle down". I know some rich people. They're the stingiest people I've ever met. If anyone else gets a benefit that they don't have access to, they never stop complaining about it.
My advice to you is to be less angry and look at the liberal/progressive position objectively. Spending less money on social programs doesn't mean that money has been saved or better utilized.
Posted 08/07/17 at 06:35:26
First-Tim Allen and the producers tried to find another home. With all the Liberal decision makers in television, don't you think it possible their political motives came into play? As for replying to you in the first place-I'm sick and tired of all the liberal thinkers pushing their agendas everywhere. There is no place to see other side, so others can evaluate, as you stated. When the previous administration raises taxes and forces added expenses to small business owners like myself, it sucks. More small businesses have folded under Obama than ant other Prez in history. Meanwhile, more money was doled out to unemployment,welfare,food stamps, housing and healthcare than ever before, to the detriment of businesses(only Prez not to have yearly GDP of 3 ever) and hard working taxpayers. These are socialistic policies that have NEVER worked. Because I believe that all gov'ts do need to spend-that is not socialism. Defense, infrastructure, civil servants are all needed. We need to tighten gov't spending, not increase it. Another 4-8 yrs of Obama's failed economic policies would have put me out of business. Now at least I have a fighting chance. Otherwise, I would be one of those sitting at home on my ass collecting unemployment, welfare, health ins and food stamps. Why work? I am AGAINST socialist policies!!! That's why I will continue to reply.
Posted 08/06/17 at 14:25:09
Thank Goodness. The Show is and was stupid.
Posted 08/06/17 at 07:24:19
Mitch. What name calling did I do? Please point it out. You're the one who's done nothing but call ME names. And everything has been totally off the subject that I raised. I simply said I originally liked this show but found it hard to watch Heaton act after her extremely ignorant comments about women's health issues. And not just because I disagreed with her, but because what she said was 100% INCORRECT.
Frankly, I don't care what your POV is, and yes, I am a liberal, but I've always evaluated every side of an issue. I just happen to agree with the liberal position more often then not.
You labeled me a dreaded "socialist" (but it wasn't intended as "name calling", was it?). I contend I'm no more a socialist than you are. Or do you not feel that your taxes should be used to provide police and fire protection for people you've never met? Especially if they pay less money than you do. Does it anger you that you contribute to the building and maintenance of roads you'll never drive on? Do you think rich people should get better assurance that their food and drugs aren't poisonous then poor people get? If you feel those (and many more) are all reasonable contributions to society, then you too are a socialist.
Now you deflect and drag several other shows into why The Middle is ending. That has nothing to do with it. I contend that the show has run it's course and 30 year old people playing teenagers who never leave home gets stale very fast. Plus it stymies their future careers.
I don't know why "Last Man Standing" ended. Maybe that cast wanted to break away and it wasn't a network decision. It seems the networks are mostly bottom line driven and won't kill a golden egg laying goose. And if it were a network decision based purely on politics, why hasn't ANY OTHER network picked the show up? What a no-brainer to pick up a discarded show that has a strong following. Don't dismiss the possibility that Tim Allen and crew didn't want to continue.
Posted 08/05/17 at 20:01:25
tirebiter- typical Lib BS. When someone offers different POV- start name calling. I presented facts-you start whining. As for children growing up on sitcoms-let me educate you. There has been recent trend in TV with updated shows. Girl Meets World, Fuller House and Roseanne revival all feature former teenage actors in updated adult roles. Do you have any Lib response on why Last Man Standing was canceled? Had most viewers on ABC Friday nights. Also had more viewers than Goldbergs, Off the Boat,Black-ish, HTGAWM and Speechless to name a few. I waiting for your intelligent reply. But, I'll never get one.
Posted 08/03/17 at 20:17:05
Mitch, get a clue. The most obvious reason the show is ending is because two of the "children" actors will be nearly 30 when it ends. and the youngest will be in his 20s. They can't play teenagers forever. And as actors, they might actually want to get other jobs someday.
Enjoy your tea party Fox News echo chamber. At least it saves energy on not having to perform any critical thinking.
Posted 08/03/17 at 20:09:32
You seem to be the parrot here. You've spouted nothing but talking point rhetoric. I bet you don't even know what I was referring to. Heaton made comments that showed she had no idea what she was talking about. She made 100% incorrect statements about women getting benefits from the government when the truth was they were trying to get benefits that they paid for and was owed to them.
Patricia Heaton is clearly not a nice person. But maybe she was playing to people like you, who'd rather hate people in need rather than try to help them.
Posted 08/03/17 at 17:56:37
Man that sucks!!! Such an awesome show!!! Sad to hear this upcoming season will be the last!!!
Posted 08/03/17 at 15:40:26
Truth-take a look at the electoral map. Have someone help you with it. Middle America-Wisc, Mich, Ohio, Indiana, Kentucky, Tenn, Ark, Missouri, Kansas, Iowa, Nebraska, Oklahoma. They all voted Trump. Trump won 2626 counties in the country to 487 for Hillary. Barely won-what a joke!!! As for Hollywood-look at the map. Located in the most liberal state in country. How many conservative shows are on air? They canceled conservative Tim Allen with better ratings than others renewed. Now Heaton. Why? Sore losers and want to be able to push their agenda. Would love to hear your intelligent reply-but I doubt you have one.
Posted 08/03/17 at 11:53:20
Awww, MAN. Sorry to see it on the way out. Great characters and kept up with the changing family dynamics as the kids aged too.